Stargate is the best!

[Green Lantern]

Ok, so I'm starting this forum to outline why Stargate is the best Sci-Fi franchise since the original Star Wars movie. First off, the movie came out in late 1990s and featured some of the best Sci-Fi designing I've ever seen. Even some of the newest Sci-Fi flicks can't touch what was shown on it. Like I'm sorry Stormtroopers and Klingons don't compare to Ra's Fox soliders, or Apophis' Serpent guard. Also, the story is heavily rooted in anicent Earth history and mythos. Ra and Apophis are both Egyptian gods just in case no one is up to date on this. Having the main villian rooted in Anicent Egypt makes the story somewhat more believable. If a super advanced race showed up to primatives they could be seen as gods. Anyways, Another cool thing from Stargate is that the main villian isn't who they appear to be. The Goa'uld aren't humanoid at all, they're parasites that infest a host, and take over thier body. Also, the guards use these staff weapons, which are very unique. And aren't always used to shoot, alot of time they're used like a melee weapon. Also, the Goa'uld have enslaved a race of people called the Jaffa, who are basicly a race of bodyguards for the Goa'uld.

Now, both Star Wars and Star Trek haven't done anything new with they're franchises. And both have had tons of chances. Especially Star Wars which was going to the past when things when things were suppose to be at thier "prime" in the universe. But things don't look that way. I mean especially with the Jedis I was expecting to see all sorts of personalisations to the Jedi Arts. And especially after Lucasflim started blowing thier horn about how every jedi in that huge battle had their own style. But it was all the same: hack hack hack with the saber. And then there was C-3P0 talk about ruining this scene epicness with his god awful jokes. "I'm beside myself" yuck. Also the love thing between Anakin and Padme wasn't given the time to develop on screen. All it seems like is some one night teenage fling, and hardly "love".

[TheRisen]

I'm pretty sure that hollywood doesn't mind people thinking love is something you can find in the backseat of the car anyways. It's true the chances that both franchises have had haven't been fresh at all.
Like in the case with Insurrection, a workable plot yet no where different enough from the trife of star treks staleness. And George Lucas doesn't look to create new any more. He had a chance to make fresh new Jedi styles like the comic and book verisons of the story.

Stargate gets props for not being like the thousands of other sci-fi series, for example babylon 5, and going to a story type not carbon copy.

[unimportantguy]

Not to poke holes in your argument, but I would like to point out that EVERY style that involves a slashing weapon comes down to "hack hack hack."

Personally, I seem to be becoming disillusioned with SF movies. I think that the latest Star Wars was awful, the latest Star Trek mediocre. I absolutely hated Starship Troopers and AI, and found Fifth Element and Stargate to be only mildly amusing.

And, as far as I'm concerned, Stargate was ruined the instant the guy said, "Give my regards to King Tut, @$$hole."

[blackest_knight]

(I've never seen Stargate)

AI was really crappy, I'll agree with that.

[TheRisen]

Fifth Element was a great action sci-fi! It wasn't like the greatest movie but think about parts of it that were original or amazing. Did you know that opera scene goes thru an incredible octave range that actually only one person did, with out computer enhancing or digital remastering beyond your average run of the mill studio can do? Or how about the idea of a completely mechanical race? Granted it had major flaws too, (like Leelu being a human shape when her DNA wasn't human at all), but it did something new and tried to freshen up the movie scene at the time.

As for any slashing weapon going hack-hack-hack, you must be looking from the point of view of the masses, cuz when I see them there swinging like it's a tennis match as opposed to any real finese. Does a 2-handed sword swing the same style as 2 one-handed? You being a fan of R. A. Salvatore's then must realize how epic a fight can be described. Does a samurai fight like a fencer? If you read shakespear and watch the plays you can see them fighting unlike the scenes in shogun.

It may seem like a "little" extra to some, but the extras in a movie is what keeps people going back. Think about crouching tiger, hidden dragon. If the fight scenes were just a katana or bareknuckled the whole time, who would want to watch it again? Or how about the matrix 2? If Neo was fighting just hack-hack-hack, than the fight would but a gratuitous fight of true boredom.

And yes AI is lame, but it cuz that child is a actually a robot.

[MadameDove]

V, Farscape, Andromeda, Deepwater Black, Earth Final Conflict, Voltron, Earth 2 (actually this one was seriously well done), Coneheads were all much superior to your precious little stargate.

[Green Lantern]

I realize most melee weapons come down to hack hack hack. However, Lucasfilm was boasting how each jedi on the screen had thier own distintic style. So I was expecting jedis to be using different style lightsabers, or dual weapons, or the double blade saber. But, no. It was just run, hack, hack, run, hack. And character developement showed that George Lucas can't do character development at all. Anakin is still a 6 year old kid, and Padme is still a little 15 year old queen or whatever her rank was in the first movie.

[unimportantguy]

TheRisen: A katana is a cutting weapon. A rapier is a thrusting weapon. I was talking about cutting/slashing weapons only.

Furthermore, I was talking about visual impact in general melee. In a more personal fight, as Salvatore often writes, style comes a lot more into play. However, in a larger-scale battle, one rarely has the time to worry about finesse. This is one reason that melee combat is so deadly: people are constantly running by, obscuring each other's views, etc. Very easy to slash someone's back open while he's engaged with other opponents.

On the Fifth Element: I don't know what you're trying to prove by talking about the opera scene. It sounds as if you're trying to defend the movie, but I don't see the correlation between a singer with incredible range and a good movie. I wasn't attempting to bash the movie. I just personally found it a little overdone and cartoony.

Also, I would argue that at least one fight in Matrix: Reloaded WAS a "gratuitous fight of true boredom."

Green Lantern: Many different styles are possible with a single weapon. I'm not arguing that such was evident in SW, as I didn't watch Ep. 2 that closely, but generally speaking, two people can be wielding the same kind of sword, and have completely different styles. In fencing for instance, the most basic would be if a person is more offensive or more defensive. Also to consider would be whether they tended to use more advanced maneuvers (step-thrust, etc.) or not. I'm certainly NOT going to argue that either of the Star Wars prequels were good movies. I found them to be rather mediocre.

[blackest_knight]

I put this back cause I got rid of some of the archives.

[Green Lantern]

Thanks BK. Yes, Stargate still owns all of your souls.

[blackest_knight]

np :wink:

I will watch it...one day.....

[The Diety]

SO do they actually do anything besides steal things from other planets on that show? cuz that's what it seems like, steal stuff and shoot some aliens which I thinks been done enough.
Damn Egypto-Aliens!

[blackest_knight]

lol

I watched it the other day! ;D

It was pretty good, especially when watched after a really bad movie (like Intolerable Cruelty)